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How is the Government going to fund the LIG Program? Taxes, Borrow, or Print?

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Christopher Wells

Please let me know how a Government is going to fund this program? I have shown you that there is only three ways to fund this program: Taxes, Borrow, or Print Money. Please use actual facts and figures from Government Budgets and Real Economic Indicators to support your opinion.

For example, lets assume we would give every person in America $7000 a year as part of the LIG program. I want to see an answer like the one below:

According to the US Census Bureau in 2014 they estimated that there is 317,000,000 people living in the US. Therefore, the following equation: 317,000,000 population x $7000 = 2,219,000,000,000
According to US Federal Government Budget 2014 are as follows:

Federal Revenue (Taxes): $2,290,932,000,000

Federal expenses (Public Spending): $2,997,884,000,000

As you can see even if you offered 317,000,000 people $7000 each it would still be too expensive. You would have to literally cut 95% of public spending which includes welfare programs (Sick benefit, Pension Plans, Job Seeker Allowance),Education (Public Schools, Student loans, Research Funding to Universities), Military (Army, Navy, and Air force), US Court System, NASA, Public Parks, Public Roads, Traffic Lights,and much more to fund the Living Income Guarantee program. In other words, the US Government will be forced to light up the “printing presses” which will increase the money supply and ultimately cause inflation.

Although, this example criticizes the LIG plan it actually forces us to find a way for it to work. If we can make the plan work using actual government figures it will go from an idea to a reality.

Please use math, logic, and reason.

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Maite Zamora Moreno

Hi Chris,

As we further specify our proposal and website - we definitely plan on making pages with practical numerical examples per country. As you took initiative here, it would be cool if you could assist and take point on the development of such a fact-sheet on the United States.

We firstly require to adjust some underlying assumptions in terms of the exercise you posted here:

  1. We do not accept that borrowing, printing money or taxes are the only source of funding for a Living Income Guaranteed. We suggest that all citizens become shareholders of 'human rights companies' and 'national resource companies'. What we mean by 'human rights companies' are such companies that provide goods and services that are in our current society required for a dignified human life, herein included such things as electricity, water, telecommunications, etc. The specifics of such points can be worked out country by country. With 'national resource companies' we refer to such companies as mining companies, where it concerns the natural riches of a particular country. The profits of such companies would then become part of a 'fund' so to speak from which the Living Incomes would be paid out.
    An additional funding option stems from the redirection of the military budget within the consideration that it makes no sense to go to war in order to implement solutions abroad under the guise of protecting human rights, when domestically there is no effective system in place to support those who have no other source of income, and whose human rights are by extension violated.

  2. The Living Income Guaranteed proposal differs from the Universal Basic Income Grant proposals in that we do not suggest that all citizens should receive a living income - precisely due to viability considerations. The main purpose of a living income is to provide a dignified income to those members in society who are unemployed or retired - eg: those who have no alternate source of income. To prevent the adverse incentive of individuals giving up jobs to instead live off a living income - we suggest that the minimum wage be set at twice the amount of a Living Income. The fund of profits of 'human rights' and 'natural resource' companies that we referred to above, would then function as an 'insurance fund' - of which anyone can be beneficiary in such time as they become eligible.

Practically then the number of recipients of a Living Income will be substantially smaller than 317,000,000. Secondly - a list requires to be drafted of 'human rights' and 'national resource' companies of which citizens should become shareholders - listing annual profits. The military budget can also be investigated as a funding option.

The ideal income in terms of what is required for an individual to live a dignified life is what will be worked towards progressively and it is unlikely the initial Living Incomes will meet this standard. So - rather first see what funds are available - divide it among the eligible recipients and see what the starting amount could be.

So, Chris - let us know if you are up for the challenge as we could definitely use assistance within this project in specifying it and seeing how to make it viable.

Thanks,
Maite

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Christopher Wells

Hi Maite,

To create this “statistical fact sheet” I will need to know exactly what you want to achieve. In addition, I will need access to all US governmental agencies and gain access to information such as: federal and state budgets, IRS federal and state tax rates, population rates, gross domestic product rates, unemployment rates, births and deaths rates, federal and state minimum wage rates, consumer price index, inflation rates, and interest rates. I will then need time to analyze and interpret all this data before putting it into a single document.

In addition, I will need to know the names of all the “US Natural Resource Companies” you guys want completely privatized (shareholders). I will then need access to all these companies annual financial reports. If you want all citizens to become shareholders of national resource companies such as electricity, water, and telecommunications. I will need to know if you want “literally” every US Citizen to own shares in each of these companies. If so, how many shares per person? How old does the US Citizen have to be to own shares in these companies? What about non-national resource companies? Thankfully, most of this information can be found online.

Here is a revenue and profit list of the best fortune 500 companies http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2013/full_list/index.html?iid=F500_sp_full

In reality, to create this “statistical fact sheet” it would take a massive “Think Tank” of professionals getting paid good salaries while working in a comfortable office. I am one guy living in New Zealand about to finish my accounting degree and applying for jobs. In fact, I have a couple of interviews this week for jobs related and non-related to my major. I want to do this because my job will involve “mind numbing tasks” that can be done an 8th grader. I believe my career will never challenge me.

The retarded “baby boomer” generation have completely wasted my generation’s skills and talents by giving them “mortgage size debts” and “no jobs/no future”. With many countries going completely bankrupt such as Ukraine, Greece, Spain, Portugal, and soon to be the United States and the United Kingdom. The future looks very grim indeed. We also need to reduce Government by removing laws that are old, expensive, and ineffective for the 21st century. For example, we need take away the “barriers to entry” that is preventing skilled and talented people from entering certain professions. I will talk about this in detail in my next post. For now we need to work together to come up with a viable plan to give hope to future generations.

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Eleonora Gozzini

I would like to add my perspective. There is a lot of money going wasted at the moment within public budget, money that are used to fund enterprises of specific lobby groups who are behind the whole government machine, meaning some are writing the music and then have all of us singing to their tunes. I agree that a massive systemic change will have to take place to implement a Living Income, in my view the first is a management of public funds, I can give an example about Italy, 'we' have decided to fund a project called TAV, it is the Italian equivalent to the TGV, the high speed train which will connect Turin to Lyon. I don't even need to go into the idiotic supposition that a city like Turin needs to be connected in high speed to another minor city like Lyon, because that would be like having to explain why a city with less than 900000 inhabitants of which probably 10, if at all, work in Lyon may need such connection and how can we believe that THIS connection will boost our economy. For those that do not know about Italy the only thing worth of notice in Turin is the Egyptian musuem, again, how many people from Lyon need to visit this museum on a high speed train? Who would go from Paris to Lyon to board such train? This is just one example to show that at a goverment level we are making decisions that are in the interest of a bunch of people, namely masons, which could be taken both as in belonging to masonry or people in the building business as 'favors' that do nothing to improve the lives of the people. This project would cost 20 billion euro. We now have about 3.5 million people, plus another 5 million that are easily living too tight to have a decent life, meaning whose income would need to be integrated to decency levels. So, let's assume that everyone is given 1000 euro/month to start, that would be 3.5 billion, plus another 500 to another 5 million people, that would be another 2.5 billion, that's 6 billion that we can easily finance with the budgeted 20 billion of the ridicolous TAV project.
One may object that we will not have such projects budgeted every year, that's right, but we always have projects that are promoted that are in no interest of the welfare of the people, we have the case of the F35 planes, we budgeted to buy some to replace the old ones for our 'peace missions'. Our constitution forbids in writing our participation in any kind of war after 1945, this is why we buy fighter bomber jets, they are essential to keep world peace - honestly, who are we kidding? So, what is really required is not spreadsheets with all the data you indicated Chris, it's required that we get back on the process of public policies writing, on the board of those that decided how to budget our public money spending to infuse some common sense there. The money exists, it's just put in the wrong places all the time to benefit some while the majority is stripped of even the right to exist. So, to sum it up, money is found in the unnecessary projects promoted to favor some and huge amounts in the war machine, if we wake up and push for demilitarization you will find so much money there that we'll have plenty to distribute to give to everyone a decent life instead of a warring world on the path of self destruction.

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Christopher Wells

Hi Eleonora,

I want to thank you for your thoughtful post. I absolutely agree with you that the whole government machine is writing the music and we must play to their tunes. We can both agree, the music that is playing at the moment is causing an economic collapse.

You are right! We should first look at the management of public funds to see if it is being allocated efficiently.The project called Tav being implemented by Italy is a great example of mismanagement of funds.We should investigate together to see if the country really needs museums or certain transportation routes.

We want to know, why things are the way they are? How does it work? Who are the major players influencing government policy? Where do all the funds come from and where does it go? We both want to know the truth. This is why we must investigate and search for the truth together.

We must be prepared to put in the effort to collect, analyse, and interpret data that is available to us.This will provide the foundation necessary to build a comprehensive plan of action for the Living Income Guarantee Program to work. If we can make the plan work using actual government figures it will go from a dream into reality.

I am seeking the truth based on math, logic, and reason. \(^o^)/

What do you say? Will you help us?

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Eleonora Gozzini

Sure Chris,
the first thing I would like to point out though is that if you are seeking the truth trough math, logic and reason, you may find numbers but then you will have to push way outside the box to understand how far in disempowerment we have gone within the Italian system as the mother possibly of all the world corrupted system.
First of all we have to consider The Reason, not reason, there is A Reason why things are going the way they are, you can find it on Psy War Military Manuals about how you get the masses on their knees, I could sum it up for you as long as you can see this is not a conspiracy theory but simply a conspiracy to drive home specific changes some are interested about.
I don't want to delve into the point if those who have this sort of Agenda really believe that it would be in the interest of all, what I can see is that a road of sorrow rarely leads to a world of peace by intention, so we first have to understand that there are forces driving the world in a specific direction through specific non sensical economic policies, they are in fact illogical and obviously so, the irrationality of some economic choices must be grasped by the masses to increase the frustration and the sense of powerlessness.
Next, a sense of injustice must be driven home, we have at the moment 3 very famous prosecutors who are under disciplinary action by our highest legal institution which is the High Council of the Judiciary system for investigating crimes of state, they are subjected to life threats and have been suspended, one of them was temporarily interned in a mental institution for unwillingly bumping into an investigation of abuse of power of our military forces, pedophilia rings and prostitution that involve our highest public roles. This is not happening only in Italy by the way, we have to understand that our governments have been hijacked through the vices of the participants who have unfortunately made themselves vulnerable to blackmail, so as you see there is a complicated situation that is unfolding about what a government is now reduced to and what is the purpose of both the Law and the forces used to protect it - in one line they are not working for us and were possibly never designed to.
On top of this, with the Lisboa treaty, we have given up every sovereignity right to the European Parliament to which we are now subjected both for what concerns money sovereignity and legal sovereignity, please consider that those overseers bodies have drafted their constitutions stating that they cannot be investigated, nor tried, nor convicted.
Now, as you can see we have come to the end of what we could possibly affect by asking for change, this is why as a system, LIG understands that we have no choice but to infiltrate the institutions and work from where changes are made, constitutions are not written on stone even though those who hold the power want us to believe so, therefore, every change we will propose will by nature need to be participatory, there can't be any proposal put forward from the outside, because we will be initially 'outside' even from the 'inside' of the system, until we change the rules of the game.
So, for what concerns TAV, there are very good researches, one shows blatantly how the lie of an increase in jobs is ludicrous when compared to the money the state is planning to spend, many information are available that we can put together as an example of public funds mismanagement but I want to give you an example of what we are facing, on Sunday we had the elections in Italy for the European parliament we have a new party called Movement 5 Stars which advocated that all previous thieves in parliament must go home and the parliament must be redesigned. At the first election as a new party, we got 24% of votes, shocking Italy and its politicians who believed their asses were well glued to the parliament chairs, at this new election, one year later, having given the system proper time to reorganize, we got 20% of votes only, my mother voted for the same old party of thieves and told me she was voting to 'balance out' my vote, which means delete it, we had at our highest a 72% ratio of criminals in Parliament, as one comedian said, the Bronx fears Montecitorio - our Parliament but could never pass a Law against people with legal proceedings being forbidden from participating in Public Office, one wonders why.
For one year incessantly the media propaganda showed the Movement 5 Star as a party of fascists to be feared, making everyone tremble at the memory of Mussolini and this is how the ruling party that supports the bankers got 40% of votes, they were votes both bought and mostly gained through fear, people fear changes because they don't understand the system - by design.
So, to sum it up, making studies is a very good idea to find the best way to propose a relief system such as LIG, meanwhile we must find ways to explain to people what is going on and be prepared about the fact that even when we do, they don't get it, my mum doesn't get it, she said the result of the election showed our 'common sense', yes, it's the system common sense, on Sunday I saw that we may have to wait for the old generation to die before some system can come to life, because they have become the system watchdogs to such an extent that they no longer see the abuse, abuse is our accepted reality specially beyond a certain age, those older than 60 are mostly lost, think Italy, we are a country of old people, traditional, believing that we have a right to work but not to a Life of dignity, that everything we have must be earned when those in power just steal it and get away with it because they now own the whole system. So, yes to studying together, happy to provide all the information I can get on the TAV but let's consider how we can start an education program for the basics, watch '97% Owned' and you will see how people who went around England to explain the scam of the monetary system were received with utter disbelief and that can sum up what kind of problem we really have, it's an education problem that is vaster than numbers, logic and reason and possibly, the very first problem we need to find ways to address. Thanks Chris, 'til the next time.

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Christopher Wells

Hi Eleonora,

To appreciate the importance of macroeconomics, you need only read the newspaper or listen to the news. Every day you can see headlines such as INCOME GROWTH REBOUNDS, FED MOVES TO COMBAT INFLATION,or STOCKS FALL AMID RECESSION FEARS. These macroeconomic events may seem abstract, but they touch all of our lives. Business executives forecasting the demand for their products must guess how fast consumers’ incomes will grow.

Senior citizens living on fixed incomes wonder how fast prices will rise. Recent college graduates looking for jobs hope that the economy will boom and that firms will be hiring. Because the state of the economy affects everyone, macroeconomic issues play a central role in national political debates. Voters are aware of how the economy is doing, and they know that government policy can affect the economy in powerful ways. As a result, the popularity of the incumbent president often rises when the economy is doing well and falls when it is doing poorly.

Macroeconomic issues are also central to world politics, and if you read the international news, you will quickly start thinking about macroeconomic questions. Was it a good move for much of Europe to adopt a common currency? Should China maintain a fixed exchange rate against the U.S. dollar? Why is the United States running large trade deficits? How can poor nations raise their standard of living? When world leaders meet, these topics are often high on their agenda.

Although the job of making economic policy belongs to world leaders, the job of explaining the workings of the economy as a whole falls to macroeconomists. Toward this end, macroeconomists collect data on incomes, prices, unemployment, and many other variables from different time periods and different countries. They then attempt to formulate general theories to explain these data. Like astronomers studying the evolution of stars or biologists studying the evolution of species, macroeconomists cannot conduct controlled experiments in a laboratory. Instead, they must make use of the data that history gives them.

Macroeconomists observe that economies differ across countries and that they change over time. These observations provide both the motivation for developing macroeconomic theories and the data for testing them. To be sure, macroeconomics is a young and imperfect science. The macroeconomist’s ability to predict the future course of economic events is no better than the meteorologist’s ability to predict next month’s weather. But, as you will see, macroeconomists know quite a lot about how economies work. This knowledge is useful both for explaining economic events and for formulating economic policy.

Economists also use models to understand the world, but an economist’s model is more likely to be made of symbols and equations than plastic and glue. Economists build their “toy economies” to help explain economic variables, such as GDP, inflation, and unemployment. Economic models illustrate, often in mathematical terms, the relationships among the variables. Models are useful because they help us to dispense with irrelevant details (emotional opinions) and focus on underlying connections (the facts).

I know how the entire banking system works. I have seen 97% owned many times on YouTube.

This video will explain how the banking and tax system works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0&list=PLE88E9ICdipidHkTehs1VbFzgwrq1jkUJ

Till the next time :-p

Thanks
Chris Wells

PS: I am doing a Bachelor of Science (Mathematics & Physics) because I am now interested in answering the bigger questions of life e.g. Why are we here? What is the meaning of Life? and Where are we going when we leave this world.

I want to understand creation. I want to read the mind of GOD \(^o^)/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M--eOnl3kNU&list=UUR9sFzaG9Ia_kXJhfxtFMBA&index=17

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Christopher Wells

Hi Maite,

Feel free to comment. I would like to hear your views on this topic.

I believe me and you have similar views on economics but different views on philosophies (the way it should be done).

Or you could just keep reading my posts :-p

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Eleonora Gozzini

Hi Chris,
macroecnomics is a decoy like most of what is for public consumption.
This is why I said we need to understand at what level the system is rigged, the purpose of education/indoctrination and then realize that everything that exists exist as an excuse to the world events and that much of what is out in the education field serves the purpose of religions and media which is to divide and conquer.
You will notice Chris how each one will be stuck with their own field of education and will attemp to insist that 'that's where the key is' while, if you pay attention, all those are 'divination tools' trying to make sense of events that have already taken place.
That is where the key is, events take place outside of models and only then models are created attempting to work out the reasons for what is going on, when the reasons are too devious and too out there to even be mentioned here.
So, in my perspective Chris, the best is to leave all and any model behind and thread new models that are beyond everything that has ever existed, this way we get out of the current Matrix, the big job will be to support new models into existence until it's done. This is my humble perspective on the topic. Til the next time.

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Maite Zamora Moreno

Hey Chris,

I'm in the middle of my finals - economics and politics degree - I'll be done in two weeks - after which we can discuss the practicalities of how such a project can be undertaken.

Maite

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Christopher Wells

Hi Maite,

Good luck with your exams. I hope you get a good job. I just had a 3 hour interview process at "Meridian Energy" the biggest electricity company in New Zealand. Basically, it was a monopoly owned by the Government. Thankfully, we had brilliant politicians who busted it up using a mixed ownership model.

The Government owns 51% and sold 49% as shares to the public for New Zealanders only.

I believe a mixed ownership model is the best way to privatize monopolies
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_NZ/nz/insights-ideas/2013-new-zealand-government-budget/56641fa0e736e310VgnVCM1000003256f70aRCRD.htm

Let me know what you think about this model for privatization. Should the Federal Reserve and banks be completely privatized? In other words, should everybody own bank shares?

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Christopher Wells

Hi Eleonora,

Mathematics is the language with which god wrote the universe. Mathematics can explain everything in existence. There is nothing beyond the goddess of mathematics, physics, and chemistry. She is the goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration, civilization, law and justice, just warfare, mathematics, strength, strategy, the arts, crafts, and skill.

When you say events are outside mathematics it's “humorous of the highest order”. I want to show you how powerful mathematics, physics, and chemistry really is. Here is a few entertaining music videos that should change your primitive beliefs.

MONSTERS OF THE COSMOS - Symphony of Science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e5-0t0pTF0
Symphony of Science - the Quantum World!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGINaRUEkU
Symphony of Science – DNA & Evolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDOpAM2FrQ
Symphony of Science - A Wave of Reason (Decisions based on Math, Logic, and Reason).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PT90dAA49Q

If I actually showed you the math involved it would bore you to sleep. That is why these videos were created to promote and make science fun. I refuse that anything is beyond mathematics. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE. String Theory is a very good candidate for this. I am not interested in the corrupt banking system.

When I go to the bank it makes me laugh when bank employees have no idea how the banking system works? When I wake up in the morning I wonder how people can put up with this retarded system? We need to develop plan that maximizes the prosperity of the people when they are here on earth. As mentioned earlier, I believe I will never have a career that will actually challenge me. Because we still have a primitive economic system that restricts our potential to basic survival needs.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs illustrates this in his model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

I feel like I have lived on this planet for 1000s of years because I keep seeing the same economic problems repeating throughout history. Many empires have rise and fallen because of the monetary system. I literally over this world. The only enjoyment I get out of my life is science because it actually challenges me. I want to be free from the cage that imprisons all of us to work for the elite.

Like I said, I cannot wait until GOD calls me home. I pray for it everyday.

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Eleonora Gozzini

Hi Chris,
I just said events are outside of the mathematical models that you worship, hence reconsidering worship would be a good starting point. Maslow hierarchy of needs is the perfect example, there is a model, here is the world, the mathematical model you are citing as an example did not create a new world, did it? So what is creating this world?
If you understand that education is a form of indoctrination than you must understand that you are indoctrinated into beliefs, some believe in religion, some believe in mathematics, physics, chemistry and yet the mathematical Gods of this existence who may have shaped this world - did so just not in the way that is explained to you in the models you want to use to get out of it. 97% owned is just showing - in my opinion- the gap in the ability of people to understand anything new and that is not even the whole story, imagine that.
Some that understand the world more than you do because are higher up in the pyramid of knowledge are now laughing about you, so, don't feel too cocky about your knowledge ever, this system is purposefully compart-mentalized for what knowledge is concerned, the faster we get to the point of appreciating that the knowledge fed to those at the lowest levels of the pyramid is instrumental and not beneficial or useful in any way, the better.
So, while we wake up to the way the world function for real and it will be painful to do so, we can redesign models, LIG is a new model, is it applicable? To me this is quite irrelevant, it's a blueprint where we say 'Life must come before profit', we are writing a blueprint and placing it out into the world to state what should be upheld and become sacred in a world that will end up working for all.
Why do we accept to use existing models to talk to people? Because we see that models have the same value of religions and hence a path OUT of existing models must be drawn in support of those who are stuck one way or another, personally I see no other reason for doing so, using ineffective, failed model born as excuses of this system as a way to build a new world could serve no other purpose if not as the exit door into a new world.
Then, slowly, as we undo our own and each other's extensive ignorance through a new education of disclosure vs secrecy about the world, the whys and hows of this existence we can fine tune what we are doing, expand our models and reach more people until more can embrace the perspective that another way to live is possible, doable and within our reach. Again, my humble opinion.
Til the next time

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Christopher Wells

Hi Eleonora,

Where is your evidence!!!? Who are the people in control? What are their names? Where do they live? What companies do they own and control? Which ones are laughing at me? How many kids do they have?

You see Eleonora I do not believe in bullshit idealistic propaganda. I believe in math, logic, and reason backed by scientific evidence. All I care about is the “TRUTH!!!”

When you answer me I want an answer like the following:

“According Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt an American whistleblower and freelance writer who served as the Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first term of U.S. President Ronald Reagan, and staff employee of the U.S. Department of State (South Africa, Belgium, South Korea). She published a book called The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America in 1991.

The book reveals that changes gradually brought into the American public education system work to eliminate the influences of a child's parents (religion, morals, national patriotism), and mold the child into a member of the proletariat in preparation for a socialist-collectivist world of the future.”

Here is my evidence Chris

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America the book (you should read it)
http://www.amazon.com/deliberate-dumbing-down-america-Chronological/dp/0966707109/ref=la_B001K8XQDY_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1401415972&sr=1-1
Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt Revealing the Truth on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RTSZH2xDV4

Have you read her book? Is this really happening in America or is Charlotte Thomson trying to make a profit? If this does apply in America, does it apply to the other 196 countries in the World as well? How dare you call me “cocky” and use no evidence to support your bullshit opinions.

If you don’t like or disagree with what I am saying then you better show scientific evidence that contradicts it. Or else, it is purely an emotional opinion based on personal beliefs.

Have you read Abraham Maslows paper that was published in 1943? "A Theory of Human Motivation" Which included his model called Maslow's hierarchy of needs and explain in detail what his research revealed about human motivation.

Science and research is not simply published because of my opinion -- “I think this is how the world is; therefore, it must be true”. Science and research requires the utmost scrutiny and takes years of painstaking work and scholarly defense before it becomes a theory.

How dare you simply disregard science and research as false because of some “so called indoctrination”. You don’t even know who are the people doing the indoctrination? I had to go out of my way to give you that answer based on math, logic, and reason backed by evidence.

Do you know how many people have sacrifice and dedicated their lives to propelling mankind into a new age? No you don’t! You arrogant bastard. You do not believe in science and research but yet you receive the benefits from it everyday? Ask yourself these questions when you turn off the light before you go to bed at night . Where does electricity come from? Who invented the light bulb? Then you might start to appreciate science and its beauty.

Nothing is beyond Science - The Government cannot legislate to stop the incoming tide, or stop the moon from raising at night, or even prevent gravity. You see Eleonora it does not matter how wealthy you are or how much assets you own. You cannot stop gravity. if you believe you can chuck money at politicians and get them to pass a law to prevent gravity. Then by all means, go jump out a 10 story window and see what happens to you. Whether you are a good person or bad person you are going to hit the ground period.

Your humble opinion? That is exactly what it is. Nothing more than just an opinion.

Till the next time

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Eleonora Gozzini

Chris,
you are very far from knowing the truth, see how a post set you off, you can be manipulated into rage by a word, plus 'cocky' doesn't compare to arrogant bastard so obviously you went a little overboard here.
If you are interested in an education vs indoctrination you can start by researching alternative information vs system information, do you know how many benefits humanity has missed out on based on the principle of Profit over Life? Think Testa since you like science.
We are way behind science specifically because how this system runs and manipulates people with good intentions like you into rage and separation, into the blindness of being able to see past their nose, whatever nose they decided to embrace.
You can start by watching this documentary, there is plenty of evidence and scientists and economists talking, hope that can appease your thirst for 'qualified' knowledge.
The rest you have to research by yourself, it is up to you to connect all the dots, it will be difficlt of course if you start from where you are but not impossible.
You have given no evidence that in your theories there is the recipe for world change or that what you know has contributed to a better world, even though everything you worship - see where we go with this little trigger now- has not changed the world so far, didn't you mention cycles repeatng themselves? How comes? Didn't we have all the math, science, chemistry and biology required to do so? And yet people die of cancer because the money is in 'cancer research' and the ludicrous solutions proposed by Big Pharma trumple any research in the field and condemn millions to painful, unnecessary Deaths. Interested in Medicine? Check out Dr. Hamer New German Medicine, he has a cure for cancer, reliable, tested, 95% success rate, he has been jailed, stripped of his ability to work, ridiculed and yet his system has pased clinical studies according to Protocol, Cui Bono? Our lives are polluted, the planet's spieces decimated, our oceans filled with plastic and mercury so excuse me if I am not impressed by this 'progress' and if the ability to turn a light bulb on in the face of what we have created is less than impressing to me.
We have used our studies in genetics to modify our seeds to make sure than we can 'own them' and we can enslave the world through the food industry, we dumb down people with sugar, fluoride, aspartame and when that it's not enough, we give them laughable models of imaginary world that have no connection to the physical reality we live.
So, you see, the problem is not how do you propose a change to those in power, those in power must go and be replaced by humans who have corrected within themselves this principle of 'Life above profit', some on top are too sick to make this change, therefore the models we are writing are for an emerging never seen before economical system.
Now it's up to you, proselitize or attempt to, or wake up. The information are available if you dare to exit from your little self elected altar of para knowledge, you believe in science and logic? Whose logic? Who says the logic you treasure is your own? What's logic in calling me an arrogant bastard following what I wrote to you? That is not logic, it's reactive. You exist like all of us as a re-actor, we need to become act'ors instead to create The New and before thinking outside the box is even possible because for now 'Thinking IS The Box'.
Here the link to the documentary 'The Power Principle' by Metanoia, blue pill or red pill, you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZwHUlIiLI

Til the next time

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Christopher Wells

Hi Eleonora,

Let me make myself very clear to you. I am not interested in your "crack pot" ideas based on no scientific evidence whatsoever. Lets dissect your augment to see how much of it is "fact' and how much of it is fiction (opinion based)

"We are way behind science specifically because how this system runs and manipulates people with good intentions like you into rage and separation, into the blindness of being able to see past their nose, whatever nose they decided to embrace."

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE!!!? WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE!!!? WHERE IS YOUR F**KING EVIDENCE!!!?

"You can start by watching this documentary, there is plenty of evidence and scientists and economists talking, hope that can appease your thirst for 'qualified' knowledge."

So, I should accept these people's opinion as fact based on a 4 hour documentary? Are you f**king kidding me? Have you followed up and found scientific research that supports their opinion? No you haven't because you are lazy, incompetent, and need a slap across the ears.

I am the father you never had who slapping across the face with a thing called "Reality"

You have f**k and fooled yourself into believing pseudo scientific propaganda. Their may be some truth to the documentary. BUT WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!!!?

"The rest you have to research by yourself, it is up to you to connect all the dots, it will be difficult of course if you start from where you are but not impossible."

It is up to me to do the research necessary so I can believe you??? WTF? Are you that lazy and expect me to do all the work for you? I have already gone out of my way to help you with your political indoctrination that supposedly makes the Law of Gravity not exist???

So, you see, the problem is not how do you propose a change to those in power, those in power must go and be replaced by humans who have corrected within themselves this principle of 'Life above profit', some on top are too sick to make this change, therefore the models we are writing are for an emerging never seen before economical system.

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE!!!? WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE!!!? WHERE IS YOUR F**KING EVIDENCE!!!?

How about you present your "crack pot" ideas to the London School of Economics? Just think about the top professionals that have 30 years of experience and mountains of scientific literature ready to greet you on arrival.

They would eat you for lunch and rip you apart. Go home and suck on your mum's tit boy and come back when you have grown up and ready to present me an argument based on scientific evidence.

When you are studying any matter or considering any philosophy. Ask yourself "What are the facts?" and "What is the truth that the facts bare out"

Perhaps you need to be reminded of this song
Symphony of Science - A Wave of Reason (Decisions based on Math, Logic, and Reason).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PT90dAA49Q

Otherwise, keep smoking pot all day in your mum's basement.

Till the next time

Thanks
Chris Wells

PS: Next time use paragraph spacing in your posts.

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Christopher Wells

Hi Eleonora,

I am very far from knowing the truth? Are you seriously implying that you know more than I do about how the world works based on one documentary?

Do you really believe that millions of dollars spent on research for a cure of cancer. Is then wasted only to find the answer and than hide it from the public?

Are you kidding me? Start using your brain? How much money would that be worth if you found a cure for cancer? Billions of dollars. Do you really think that profit driven businesses are not going to capitalize on this insane opportunity of a life time? Think about the money and prestige (Nobel Prizes) that the scientific research team would receive. I seriously wonder if you are capable of logic and common sense?

I have provided a link that debunks the cancer conspiracy theories.

Debunked Cancer Conspiracy Theories
http://www.cancertreatmentwatch.org/q/conspiracy.shtml

You see Eleonora I do not believe in bullshit pseudo scientific propaganda. I certainly do not believe in anybody who makes extraordinary claims that "cure for cancer has been found and has been hidden from the public". I cannot believe you seriously think this bullshit pseudo scientific propaganda is true?

Do you even bother to do scientific research?

I believe in math, logic, and reason backed by scientific evidence. Do you know why? It is not based on bias, prejudiced, or some bullshit propaganda film.

It is the cold hard truth about reality and how it really works.

Thanks
Chris Wells (An Asshole Who Tells People How The World Really Works)

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Christopher Wells

Hi Eleonora,

I want to stop being mean to you. It is not fair that you don't have a science education. I want you to know that there is really something special about scientific evidence. Science Works. Planes fly, magic carpets and broomsticks don’t. Gravity is not a version of the truth? It is the TRUTH!!! Anybody who doubts it, is invited to jump out a 10th storey window.

Science is the plain truth :-)

I sincerely hope you change your views about science. Perhaps, this will be an opportunity for you to think like a "Scientist" or begin to study science.

Thanks
Chris Wells

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Christopher Wells

Hi Maite,

I know you love economics like me too. I want to show you where my philosophies come from and how I think about economics. These documentaries had a massive influence on how I thought about money and economics.

Masters of Money - Karl Marx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX65Yej7S0Y

Masters of Money - Friedrich Hayek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdDGUl7SncQ

Masters of Money - John Maynard Keynes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vQer7Q95xk

"Fear the Boom and Bust" a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem (Very funny music video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

In fact, these enjoyable documentaries made me study economics hoping I could find a solution to the worlds problems. Unfortunately, no matter how hard I tried, I could not find the answer.
Because when you pull the right lever the left lever explodes, you pull the left lever the right lever explodes, then you pull both levers and both explode. In other words, there are always "trade offs" and no such thing a "Free Lunch" (unless you believe in keynesian economics).

I hope you enjoy watching them

Thanks
Chris Wells

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